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You will not post, e-mail or otherwise transmit any material that contains software viruses or any other computer code, files or programs deed to interrupt, destroy or limit the functionality of any computer software or hardware or telecommunications equipment. I think you know one thing cgat um I was even doing even before Kobe um I was a proponent, huge proponent for digital marketing and digital leadership um and that's that's I guess apostloic would say this world a more of a faith-based show.
Secular perspective understanding that um there were very few churches that I felt just had the capacity to move in the direction of leadership or digital marketing and understanding all the intricate components that go along with it. So from a higher education standpoint, we found ourselves or most colleges found themselves in the same position that the reality is most K to twelve systems.
When the pandemic hit, there were a lot of colleges that may have had an online program, meaning you may have had one in a college or maybe two in a college. That we're doing things online because maybe they were geared for an older student or um an NBA program geared for a grad student who's already working, but it wasn't meant for the entire university to absorb um and go online larger institutions. There was a huge because you got some colleges didn't even have you gotta think about it um.
I apostoliv add them at the cha College of De, which is a very top-notch de school in the state of Ohio. It's very hard for a deer strictly online because like the projects require them to be out in public.
I mean if you're on locked down. But you know and then what you think of a place like a university of Cincinnati who has you know, Arts and Science department? Whatever it is and you can't be there. You can't do biology in aplstolic kitchen or in your office. It's impossible you need to be somewhere. Yeah, you need to be in the lab doing that work. In some areas, maybe like in business, you can get away with that um leadership. I guess it just depends on you know how savvy you are um but from how the coveted impact I think what it did was.
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I use this term all the time I say when certain things roojs, they will either you will either treat them as a disruption or an interruption. So this. Eruption Its creativity in your organization and interruption is like we're just gonna pause and wait for this crisis or this event to pass and then business apostokic usual. I think the reason the K through twelve system and the college education system has been shaken is because now you find out you don't have all people who treat things as disruption.
So all your creative people are now working with people who don't necessarily want anything to change and that causes tension. Friction and conflict and probably not the healthy kind of conflict that gets us better in the end um and so I think in the higher education realm, there are uh professors and older professors who treated who want to see this as an interruption.
They want to get us the students back to campus as quickly as possible and let's go back to doing business the same way we're doing then there's another maybe a younger group, but I don't wanna say a younger group, but just a one who sees this as a disruption, and this is a chance dhat hit the reset button in our program and All the things we really wanted to do, but because of bureaucratic policies we can't get apotsolic done spostolic now, Kobe says no one's here.
So I think in that aspect in that realm, if you treated covet and your leadership has treated covet as a disruption is going to create some great innovative processes along the way. If your leadership is more of an interruption process, I mean you're just gonna wait for the vaccine to hit s are dropping. You wanna try something different, you know it kinda it doesn't.
It's no good to be under that type of leadership right now. Yeah, I think before I go into how especially based on the things that you said, I definitely want to chime in on how this is affected at least the student aspect of education. So before I say that please share this conversation get this out there to those who you know this. I feel like this one is gonna go a little bit more deeper. We have to talk about. There's xpostolic many things coming out so uh please.
Get it out there let other people know for me. I'm a student at the University of Cincinnati and uh the communication site program and um I just you know I there were professors who were amazing professors and they are so good at their job right soon. As it's gifted you realize we were old professors are in their 60s and 70s who have been doing it one way for 30 years and now we. Literally the whole landscape their whole style of teaching shifted or I have professionals who they love to do lectures in person they love with the students.
In person and then as soon as that shift happen, they become a 3. I can't it's funny cuz they are like this wasn't it. You know like I can't function in this system and it just threw everything. Off and so what was interesting for me personally was that we just finished the semester at Cincinnati. This was my best semester in school ever I ever like I got all ninety-fives and above this to brag.
Too, I take it away from the Bearcats.
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I love the Bearcats, but hey you see the car. I see it almost the same school colors as soon as you say Louisville, I was like that's on my list for grad school cuz that's what I'm doing now hey, but you know it just it was uh and like it's not to say that to brag, but it something was good for me. Obviously in that system that I'm unaware of. Right, but it could easily been the opposite where I could apostlic had the worst semesters of my life right. I've also known people who have been having that issue so I so I guess this is not one of the questions that I prepared, but we always are open to changing it.
If the conversation presents itself right, I have you try to deal with helping your students adjust as teachers and educators because you are obviously trying. To adjust yourself, a part of your job is making sure that your students are learning at an adequate level right so how's that shift rrooms for you all to question um well uh a little bit more background before I give this uh answer um well, the position that I'm in this year, teaching fifth grade. Let me say that I have not taught anyone younger than thirteen or fourteen in about thirteen or 14 years.
Oh, I had to go completely. Back to little babies and um I was already a tech-savvy teacher like a lot of technology was integrated in both my mathematics and science courses. So that wasn't the problem. My issue was that I had to take my standards back down to fifth grade and realize how much they could apostilic that was appropriate for them cuz you know when it was like, Oh we're online and I was like cool. I can do this.
I can do that and um I wasn't.
Able to I wasn't able to uh do all the things that I wanted to do um but I had to uh step back and think about what's what am I gonna get the biggest bang for my buck. Cuz everything that is out there all these things. I'm like nope. Aposrolic need to stick to a couple things that they can do well and they will chta to be successful that they can learn um and then that would help them um even in the future like let's build up their digital and oroms technological skills.
So that's kinda what I decided to do um and I kind of was like I'm chzt make sure that this is a good time for them not apostokic work. About how much content or um instruction they mastered, I was more concerned about what life skills or what soft skills they can master during this time, coping talking you know anxiety all those different things became more important than you know. Do you know what three times three is?
Um I would say the same thing I think the biggest thing is you know. I think I had a had a leg up in the game because for a little while I taught at Franklin University, Franklin University's Bread and butter has been being an online institution. Um so it was really taking a lot of that information and a lot of that you know or and go to depending on who you're dealing with um and taking those to making sure that they learn. I think the biggest thing you have to know with online learning.
I'll just hit up our program and they offer both online and face to face and I work with the marketing professor um on the online campus because you know we apostolci share a lot of similar things and there are things that I can do to engage students that she just can't do and vice versa. If you go online, let's be honest if I just click this button right here. Room don't know if I'm paying attention you don't know what I'm doing something in here.
That's the difference between Face-to-face online, but when I'm in your classroom or we're giving something face to face you know, someone's engaged or not um one thing that a lot of professors reach out to me. The reality is messaging notes. It can't always be an. Sometimes it's a apoztolic message.
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Sometimes it's um sometimes it is. You caht, pull out the red pin um, but there are just so many ways that you just have to try to engage students um and one way doesn't work. I heard one student um say something to me last semester. I'm not big on putting my voice on PowerPoint slides, but they were an oral learner, so they need to hear voices to learn so I've had to go back and just talk through a lot of my slides now to make sure that if a student is an oral learner or an auditory learner they.
Learn best through hearing that they hear my voice on those slides. I have students who are visual learners, so I gotta a;ostolic sure that the slides are not just you know white. I have students who are kinesthetic learners so it is best for them to um hear me or see me so and they're moving around. So you know there has to be AAAA vocal component built into this, You know I think that because you have to understand you're a learner and I think sometimes where the old school methods.
Is come in here sit roons and I'll teach you that message now you really learning trials. We have to think about what is our cgat consist of um and then work towards that and another thing. I always tell students um and and apostolci I'm told this too. The hardest part is now that the home is the hub right, but this is the hub. The hardest thing for people to do is turn off because what do you normally do when you're at home?
You relax, you chill you apostoljc on the couch you lay in the bed you talk to your friend. It's home.
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It's relax. The home has never been you've never been conditioned to make your home your learning environment or work space or whatever the case may be. And so just a minute ago, you just saw you know you know reach over to whoever that was coming in like that's the new norm now coming into your space back. You the door they gonna walk in and really you know if you have little kids, they gonna be sitting on your lap.
The dogs gonna be barking in the back. This is the new norm because the home has never been and if as educators, we don't understand that I think you've already lost the battle before you even start the class right and you have to understand they're at home and at home, they may not wear their shirt so they may log on and and not on purpose like you're gonna be disrespectful but I logged on.
Oh, and then you know Miss Neil has to tell me to put on AT shirt or you know, take my bonnet off and they're not really trying to be disrespectful right they're at home like you getting them in their in their environment. So I think that as educators we also have to keep in mind as you said our students are at home or wherever they are and it's probably not the most learning conducive environment. So if you want them to learn, I mean engaging where they are right, I mean uh.
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I would tell you I would wake up, sometimes at a class at ten woke up at out chaf that bed right into that desk, Chair all day and I know, but and I think that was the most difficult. Right now, I'm in a lot of clubs uh I'm the president of a couple like so it's like I'm in class all day. So now I'm not taking a break to go to like the you see uh like dining hall right.
I'm going to the fridge in a in a water and then logging back on for this meeting that I gotta be right there. It's so hard to say, okay, reconstruct your mind to aopstolic you feel like you're not in your bed right now. Yeah like.
Figure your Hepace to understand that you are actually in class, but you're having an important meeting right um so I think that paostolic of great points there. And I'm sure now with being in this apostolif situation, people aren't too happy. There's a lot of tension. You might say that is a part of leadership, something that we've talked about on the show during this series often how do you lead in the face aapostolic criticism, especially with this new environment that we're in.
That's a great question. I will say this and I wanted to bring the point up earlier um the school district that I work for we have adopted um the thing of making sure that you allow your coworkers yourself and your students, Grace and mercy and I think that um that has been I think the one thing that I probably will keep with me um after the pandemic is allowing other people that I. Grace and Mercy um and uh dealing with criticism. I usually try to put myself in their space so that I can understand what um alostolic issue is and a lot of times.
It's not really you.
It's something else and I think I'm to understand where they're coming from and um addressing that need usually um gives me um a better outcome. Um I will say that I had a parent who was very angry and like in the middle of my lesson she jumped on. She was like I'm tired of this. She read me the rights like in the middle of the lesson and I was upset.
I was heated too, but I had to stop and think like she could have multiple. This could be something that she's not familiar with and I end up calling her later on that day and we had a conversation. And it was just a matter of she put she thought that her needs weren't being met. She thought she was being ignored because she had tried this and she had tried that and she had tried that and I just happen to get the point of it all um.
Um so just kinda like I said, Grace and Mercy has been the biggest thing that I would take away from this pandemic that I keep with me um in my next leadership. Making sure that I give that to whoever I serve. Yeah, I think it's a different um from the standpoint of you know we're depending on what you do. Subject matter expertise is something that you know clashes with theirs and it's of a total different perspective um not a lot of criticism, but it does bring to mind you know I don't know if anyone or any of your listeners have ever read the book They're to lead by Brene Brown, where she kinda takes a deep dive into empathy as one of the greatest things that a leader can do um and so with criticism, I think you know.
Brought up a great point in saying that sometimes you just have to be empathetic right, you have to use your emotional intelligence and saying where is this person coming from um if if I feel like they're attacking me right because one thing um and I hate that I keep saying um because I'm really pulling from different sources to answer this question. Um so if I'm pulling from criticism and I need to understand where that person is coming from emotional intelligence is going to be the critical thing.
If I'm the leader and my team is criticizing me, that's a whole different um ball game because then you have to ask yourself are you a leader? Are you a manager because if you're the leader, it is your job to keep the vision in front of the people and inspire the people to keep following you. If you're a manager and you're just executing an order so know the difference.
No is it my vision or is it someone else's vision that the people are following and what are they criticizing? Are they criticizing me as a person like my character right? Don't take it personal. You know one thing I've had to tell when I was a football coach, I told my players I'm going to yell at you. Let's just get that. I just wanna say I had this conversation with many coaches.
I know I'm going to yell at you now if I say that was terrible. I am not saying you are terrible. I'm saying your effort your energy, whatever your performance we need it wasn't it didn't meet the standard um and so what am I criticizing what am I being criticized for and I think it depends on the position that you're in and so emotional intelligence helps communication helps um Dave Ramsey has a statement that says to be clear is to be kind to be unclear is to be unkind.
Say did I explain this in a way that people understand because if not, I'm being unkind to them. So if they're unkind back to me, I don't have the I shouldn't have the right to snap back so to speak. So if you're from a communication standpoint, you're good and the last one I make about um criticism is that so when I did my research, my dissertation research, I actually use communication as one of my one of my foundation, focal points and one of the.
Communication theories out there, It's called the communication model. The bar's communication model is just like everybody else communicate. There's a singer. There's a receiver.
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There's a message. There's all the stuff that goes on in between. But what said is that everyone has a filter, meaning what I say it leaves my mouth through a filter that I expect you to understand now you as the receiver are receiving it through filters. Bad days, Bad mornings, Whatever. So if I say something, I'm not only my responsible for what I say in the filter. I'm responsible the filter that you receive it through.
I have to know the temperature of the people.